I fear contempt won't work either. Really, the best approach are economically incentivized forms of coercion. For example: insurance companies can raise rates on businesses that don't ensure certain vaccination rates; so can life insurance companies for individuals. It's no different really than the ask they already make about your smoking, drinking, and drug habits.
Also, governments, particularly blue states and cities but even incentivized private citizens, should be actively filing lawsuits against purveyors of false information for endangering public health. Do these stand a chance in court? Who cares? It's the shots across the bow that count--and the legal fees. And it's only a matter of time before a judge hands down an Alex-Jones-like spanking that will have those fraudsters thinking twice about the crap they peddle.
There are several simple (not easy) ways that government can do this. (1) The federal government can REQUIRE all military personnel to get the vaccine, just like they require them to get ridiculously short haircuts. (2) Local governments can REQUIRE all police and fire personnel to be vaccinated if they want to keep their jobs, just as they require firearms certification, health certification, etc. Those two steps will make a huge dent in the vaccine-resistant population.
Agreed. I think mandating the vaccine, in any field where mandates are already accepted, is more than valid, it's necessary. I have no idea why our nation's top military officials, the joint Chiefs of Staff, haven't mandated it for people in the military. And if someone in the military has to get vaccinated, and is forced to realize two months later that flatware isn't sticking to their cheekbones, and that their DNA hasn't melted them into fleshy goo, they might even think it's time to convince their spouse or their kids to get vaccinated ....
Some are afraid it’s biowweapon gone wrong or worse or that it’s overblown or that institutional capture may have occurred and we simply don’t know all the variables.
I'm hip. I just think it's worth picking off the low hangers first. There's probly dozens of reasons people have for not getting shots, and there's reason to believe that their own communities can help persuade them. The most crucial things, it seems to me, are to get the influencers on board, up to speed and out there influencin', plus having a needle loaded and waiting wherever/whenever someone decides to get it.
Tell me again why is it that people get to decid whether or not to be vaccinated against COVID-19. What am I not understanding about this? I don't get a choice about whether to murder somebody. I don't get a choice to drive without a driver's license or to exceed the speed limit or run a red light or go to Switzerland without a passport. Why do people get a choice not to take the vaccine when they might very well expose somebody else who will die from it? What am I missing here? I'm not the former president so I can't do anything I want to do and get away with it. As for not respecting the anti vaccers, I guess it's worth a try but I don't think they will give a flying (bleep) about that. Prison time and/or gigantic fines might work. Even trillionaires could be fined all the money and property they have except say, $75,000. I just talked to a neighbor who said they ought to be shipped off to an island somewhere. That sounds good. Maybe some cruel and unusual punishment threat would. Or let them all be drafted into the military where they can simply be ordered to be vaccinated or be locked up in solitary confinement until they come to their senses or die of old age or, O yes, COVID-19. Well, I'm getting all worked up. But my wife and I were both vaccinated in Jan/Feb this year and recently tested positive for COVID-19 so we're in sanctuary for 2 weeks. No doubt we caught it from an un vaccinated (bleep bleep). And our vaccinations do help us not to get very sick but I'm 83 and don't want COVID-19 the cause of my death. So be it.
Fundamentally, this is all about tip-toeing around conservatives and placing a premium on their feelings and opinions on virtually any topic, no matter how uninformed, wrong and/or immoral. It's Conservative Privilege. If the anti-vax movement had stayed on the hippy far left (which is where it started, ironically) does anyone think we would be getting articles from major conservative publications (like the National Review) complaining about the lack of respect afforded to anti-vaxxers? No effing way. And we wouldn't be getting them from major liberal publications either. If rank and file conservatives were generally onboard with this vaccine, National Review would be screaming at those hippy left-wing holdouts to STFU and get the damn shot. But b/c antivax sentiment seems to have developed into more of a right-wing cause, the rest of us better be real damn careful about what we say to these people if we want them to get the shot. Remember that famous Trump T-shirt? It wasn't "F*** Everyone's Feelings", it's F*** YOUR Feelings". (The feelings of conservatives still matter, of course.)
I fear contempt won't work either. Really, the best approach are economically incentivized forms of coercion. For example: insurance companies can raise rates on businesses that don't ensure certain vaccination rates; so can life insurance companies for individuals. It's no different really than the ask they already make about your smoking, drinking, and drug habits.
Also, governments, particularly blue states and cities but even incentivized private citizens, should be actively filing lawsuits against purveyors of false information for endangering public health. Do these stand a chance in court? Who cares? It's the shots across the bow that count--and the legal fees. And it's only a matter of time before a judge hands down an Alex-Jones-like spanking that will have those fraudsters thinking twice about the crap they peddle.
Wake up b4 the apocalypses.
There are several simple (not easy) ways that government can do this. (1) The federal government can REQUIRE all military personnel to get the vaccine, just like they require them to get ridiculously short haircuts. (2) Local governments can REQUIRE all police and fire personnel to be vaccinated if they want to keep their jobs, just as they require firearms certification, health certification, etc. Those two steps will make a huge dent in the vaccine-resistant population.
Agreed. I think mandating the vaccine, in any field where mandates are already accepted, is more than valid, it's necessary. I have no idea why our nation's top military officials, the joint Chiefs of Staff, haven't mandated it for people in the military. And if someone in the military has to get vaccinated, and is forced to realize two months later that flatware isn't sticking to their cheekbones, and that their DNA hasn't melted them into fleshy goo, they might even think it's time to convince their spouse or their kids to get vaccinated ....
This lady hasn’t heard of ivermectin.
Some folks just 'fraid a needles...
Too bad. I'm afraid of guns and especially them that tote them.
Some are afraid it’s biowweapon gone wrong or worse or that it’s overblown or that institutional capture may have occurred and we simply don’t know all the variables.
I'm hip. I just think it's worth picking off the low hangers first. There's probly dozens of reasons people have for not getting shots, and there's reason to believe that their own communities can help persuade them. The most crucial things, it seems to me, are to get the influencers on board, up to speed and out there influencin', plus having a needle loaded and waiting wherever/whenever someone decides to get it.
Tell me again why is it that people get to decid whether or not to be vaccinated against COVID-19. What am I not understanding about this? I don't get a choice about whether to murder somebody. I don't get a choice to drive without a driver's license or to exceed the speed limit or run a red light or go to Switzerland without a passport. Why do people get a choice not to take the vaccine when they might very well expose somebody else who will die from it? What am I missing here? I'm not the former president so I can't do anything I want to do and get away with it. As for not respecting the anti vaccers, I guess it's worth a try but I don't think they will give a flying (bleep) about that. Prison time and/or gigantic fines might work. Even trillionaires could be fined all the money and property they have except say, $75,000. I just talked to a neighbor who said they ought to be shipped off to an island somewhere. That sounds good. Maybe some cruel and unusual punishment threat would. Or let them all be drafted into the military where they can simply be ordered to be vaccinated or be locked up in solitary confinement until they come to their senses or die of old age or, O yes, COVID-19. Well, I'm getting all worked up. But my wife and I were both vaccinated in Jan/Feb this year and recently tested positive for COVID-19 so we're in sanctuary for 2 weeks. No doubt we caught it from an un vaccinated (bleep bleep). And our vaccinations do help us not to get very sick but I'm 83 and don't want COVID-19 the cause of my death. So be it.
Fundamentally, this is all about tip-toeing around conservatives and placing a premium on their feelings and opinions on virtually any topic, no matter how uninformed, wrong and/or immoral. It's Conservative Privilege. If the anti-vax movement had stayed on the hippy far left (which is where it started, ironically) does anyone think we would be getting articles from major conservative publications (like the National Review) complaining about the lack of respect afforded to anti-vaxxers? No effing way. And we wouldn't be getting them from major liberal publications either. If rank and file conservatives were generally onboard with this vaccine, National Review would be screaming at those hippy left-wing holdouts to STFU and get the damn shot. But b/c antivax sentiment seems to have developed into more of a right-wing cause, the rest of us better be real damn careful about what we say to these people if we want them to get the shot. Remember that famous Trump T-shirt? It wasn't "F*** Everyone's Feelings", it's F*** YOUR Feelings". (The feelings of conservatives still matter, of course.)
This is stupidity personified.
Bret Weinstein will be president one day and you all will cry a lot.